Hey Wilf...
On the topic of the continual spew of virii towards the list, I agree
with you. For the longest time now, I'm on a 24 hour daily virii update
schedule myself, that happens automatically every morning... Easiest
thing to do in the world (basically, I just set it and forget it...)
All the other people on the list who use multiple OS's like I do and
happen to use Windows products for Email and other reasons should at the
least practice Safe'n'Smart Computing... Alas, that's not the case for
some people here...
Personally, I won't complain nor make any comments on personal choice of
Email readers. That's totally up to the individual. Yes, we all know
that all the readers out there have each their own weaknesses and
strengths... But I've never been a fan of the "Mine is better, yours
sucks" mindset. I just practice and preach Smart'n'Safe computing... So
whether I'm using Linux, Windows, UNIX, DOS, VMS, OS/400, or whatever
other operating system that's in front of me, I just make sure that I'm
patched, protected, and don't fool around with stuff sent to me unless I
know where it's from (or, unless I'm reasonably certain of it, or am
willing to take the chance that my "protection" will be adequate to keep
me from harm if I want to take that chance). If my chance blows up in
my face, and the protection fails, then at least I know it was my fault
and at least I'll be reasonable enough to clean up my own mess
(hopefully before it spreads and becomes somebody else's mess).
So I guess my suggestion to the masses on these virii would be: If
you're smart enough to use your Email program of CHOICE, then you're
smart enough to also use AND UPDATE an anti-virus program as appropriate
for your CHOICE... Additionally, and hopefully, us reasonable adults
should stop acting like kids on Christmas when you receive an attachment
from somebody we don't know, expecting a neat-o present or gift in the
mail for no apparent reason... The easiest way to get around this is to
take ONE extra step in your EMAIL client setup which is to TURN OFF
*ANY* AUTO-PREVIEW functions, and then do as I do with my kids: Just
say NO to the rest.
/* end of rant */
Ok, sorry about that, but it just seems too obvious that some people
can't follow common sense...
Now, as to the original problem solution I proposed earlier... And to
address the additional problems of sending Emails out via one account
while receiving thru another... While that may seem to be an elegant
solution to some, to me that's still somewhat of an invalid excuse...
It's great that you can send mail via SENDMAIL directly to the
listserver domain, then let the listserver handle it and reply BACK TO
YOUR ORIGINAL REGISTERED ADDRESS, thereby letting YOU filter the mails
the way that you want to... That's the same thing as having multiple
Email accounts at your ISP, but instead of being forced to check each
account individually, you have the "ABILITY" to pre-filter them within
your own domain and sort them out that way. That's nice for those of us
who have our own domains, but supporting that completely overrides any
possibility of list submission controls. IMHO: for all of the valuable
info that I've gotten off this list over the past year or so, I'd be
more than happy to pre-select ONE account within my own domain as my
source & destination recipient address and make sure that it was routed
properly. It's easy enough to do, and I'm sure you can come up with
some clever routing rules based upon destination from SENDMAIL that can
auto-substitute any domain user address with a fixed one to support the
goal of eliminating all this excess spam. Again, maybe somebody else
can come up with a more elegant solution than simple list submission
controls, but the root reasoning for that still sounds good to me. If
we have to REGISTER and then CONFIRM our registration to be able to
receive mailings from this list, then it also makes sense to me that
REGISTERED USERS should also be the ones sending mail to the list.
Leave the non-registered anonymous people out of the direct Email loop,
by either referring them to the Website list viewer, or inviting them to
register themselves. This is not censorship in any way IMHO.. Simply
some basic controls on HOW information is posted to the list, not WHAT.
Let's face it, these days if you've got EMAIL, you've got a WEB browser
too... So nobody will be left out if they want access. But at least
it's a basic roadblock to the junk we've been getting, either by
accident or on purpose.
Opinions welcome, as always....
Robert
#!-----Original Message-----
#!From: users-admin_at_lists.freeswan.org
#![mailto:users-admin_at_lists.freeswan.org] On Behalf Of Wilf
#!(Neil Wilkinson)
#!Sent: May 13, 2002 10:30 AM
#!To: users_at_lists.freeswan.org
#!Subject: RE: [Users] test
#!
#!
#!couldnt agree more - but more importantly cant you please
#!install some anti-virus software. there are people in this
#!world that dont have anti-virus software installed and you
#!could be helping the prolification of viruses throughout the web.
#!
#!i feel that i'll have to browse this list in future (i.e. not
#!receive it by email and not be able to post) just in case
#!symantec dont keep me as up to date as i need them to.
#!
#!i know, i really ought to read my email on mutt and then i
#!wouldnt need to worry. :-)
#!
#!
#!wilf
#!
#!> -----Original Message-----
#!> From: users-admin_at_lists.freeswan.org
#!> [mailto:users-admin_at_lists.freeswan.org]On Behalf Of Robert
#!> Sent: Monday, 13 May 2002 11:52 PM
#!> To: users_at_lists.freeswan.org
#!> Subject: RE: [Users] test
#!>
#!>
#!> Hello everyone
#!>
#!> With regards to these annoying "Test" messages that seem to come in
#!> huge bursts, just a suggestion for the list admins, that I
#!hope won't
#!> impinge on the freedom & accessibility ideals that are of paramount
#!> importance to maintain...
#!>
#!> I just tried checking to see if the email account 'test_at_china.com'
#!> actually existed on the listman server, and it returned
#!"Non-existent
#!> address" to me.
#!>
#!> So my guess is that somehow the list server is simply
#!forwarding all
#!> Emails received to it, regardless of whether the
#!originating user has
#!> registered to receive Emails back from the list or not...
#!>
#!> Now, it's my thinking here that seeing as we have to enroll
#!(and then
#!> CONFIRM our enrollment) to receive the messages, then how come that
#!> same criterion can't be used to SEND messages to the list?
#!The public
#!> webforums I guess would be another way of posting anonymous
#!or spoofed
#!> messages, which can't be helped (if someone wants to logon
#!to the site
#!> & forms to do so) but I think that the Listman lists should only
#!> accept Emails from registered users or from approved website
#!> servers/forms/forums... IE: Those people who have
#!specifically ASKED
#!> to receive messages from the FreeS/WAN community should be the ones
#!> ALLOWED to post to it as well. If someone does not want to
#!register,
#!> then they have to use the website list mechanism anyways to look
#!> and/or post into the info. So freedom of expression is preserved.
#!> But I think abuse will be minimized as well, such as this 'test'
#!> message.
#!>
#!> Oh, and as a mechanism for list enrollment??? If the
#!originating user
#!> is NOT an existing member of the list, then politely refuse their
#!> message, and send them back a reply with the enlistment
#!instructions
#!> to let them become a member of the list. If nothing else,
#!if a test
#!> user wants to enroll (with the associated confirmation process) at
#!> least we know that the Email address is valid, so it
#!shouldn't cause
#!> problems once enlisted.
#!>
#!> Opinions anyone???
#!>
#!>
#!> Robert
#!> -----Original Message-----
#!> From: users-admin_at_lists.freeswan.org
#!> [mailto:users-admin_at_lists.freeswan.org] On Behalf Of julia
#!> Sent: May 13, 2002 7:59 AM
#!> To: users_at_lists.freeswan.org
#!> Subject: [Users] test
#!>
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