On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 04:13:15PM +0100, Graham Wood wrote:
> No, he is merely accepting the opinion of the people that run this list that
> the cost of free speech is that sometimes you have to listen to things you
> don't want to hear. Or are you one of the people that feels that free speech
> only applies to people that you want to hear?
This is a technical list for people to discuss the FreeS/WAN software
package. I don't consider it appropriate for the list to carry viruses;
test messages; blather about censorship (like this message!);
discussions of last night's TV; etc. Just FreeS/WAN discussion.
> My apologies to everyone else, since this is going to be getting spammy again,
> but hopefully hearing this once more will get the message over to some more
> people and reduce the probability of it happening again.
No, I don't think it will.
There is a fundamental disagreement here. "Free speech" to you seems to
mean "anything goes". To others (including myself) it means "anything
on-topic goes". To clarify, "free speech" doesn't mean that you can butt
into your neighbour's house and shout in their face -- yet that's what
the recent round of test messages and viruses amounts to.
> The issue is not that they can't do anything about it. The issue is that they
> choose not to. To the people running this list, freedom of speech is an
> over-riding issue. If you don't like that, then feel free to unsubscribe. I
> don't have anything to automatically delete the junk, other than my fingers
> and the delete key. This works fine for me, and for most of the people on
> this list.
Bully for you. It may have escaped your attention that the amount of
crap on this list IS scaring people off. Don't tell me that such an
apparently badly-run technical mailing list is a good advertisement for
FreeS/WAN.
> If you honestly think that this is a sign of incompetant admin, then I suggest
> you unsubscribe and don't use the software. If the admin don't have your
> faith in terms of their ability, then surely you don't trust the software they
> produce?
I don't believe that the ability to produce good code is sufficiently
well correlated with the ability to run a mailing list well for me to
take your comment seriously.
Dave
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